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California bill to release credit scores

BayHouse Credit Forum: 10/1999 to 01/2001: Credit Reporting, FICO Credit Scoring, Disputes, Collections, Charge-offs, Bankruptcy, CCCS: CATEGORY: Legislative and FTC News and Consumer Action: California bill to release credit scores
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Greg Fisher, creditscoring.com

Saturday, March 04, 2000 - 04:56 am Click here to edit this post
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen/sb_1601-1650/sb_1607_bill_20000222_introduced.html

"Sponsorship of SB 1607 (A Bill That Helps Consumers Better Understand Their
Financial Circumstances By Entitling Consumers To Disclosure Of Their Credit Scores)"

http://www.consumersunion.org/finance/i-bureaus.htm

"Consumers Union is a co-sponsor of SB 1607, authored by California State Senator Liz Figueroa. The bill is also co-sponsored by the California Association of Realtors. This bill will provide home mortgage consumers access to their credit scores, explanation of these scores, and information on how the score is used."

http://www.consumersunion.org/finance/scorewc200.htm

Consumers Union, publisher of Consumer Reports, is an independent, nonprofit testing and information organization serving only consumers.

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Sean (Sean)

Saturday, March 04, 2000 - 12:40 pm Click here to edit this post
And what will happen in the event that a consumer's credit profile is pulled by Providian, is run through Providian's proprietary risk-assessment software and a score and codes are generated.

The person will contact the credit bureau and they won't know what type of credit score has been used or anything. Ditto with companies that use modified FICO software to include information off of their application. And it still doesn't explain who pays for the score.

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Greg Fisher, creditscoring.com

Saturday, March 04, 2000 - 08:18 pm Click here to edit this post
If Providian is a mortgage lender, they will have to disclose the score as defined by the law. You know, no monkey-business? No hogwash? No shell games?

Want to to see something funny? Here's the official word from the credit bureaus' representative (Associated Credit Bureaus) in July, 1999:

MS. TWOHIG: No. If they just got their credit report. They order their credit report. Would it be so terrible if they see what scores had been calculated on them? Or what are the problems with that?

MR. CRESCENZO: Well, again, what scores? Was it Providian out in San Francisco that believes they have the best analysts and statisticians in the country and, you know, produce scores for their own lending decisions, or are we talking about Chase Manhattan's scores, or are we talking about a FICO score?

MS. TWOHIG: FICO, I think people wanted to know. If it was just a FICO score?

MR. CRESCENZO: It's an issue I'm not going to be able to address today.

http://www.creditscoring.com/pages/forumtranscript.htm#page271

And now, here's a quote from an ACB representative from February, 2000:

Norm Magnuson, vice president of public affairs for Associated Credit Bureaus, said that the effort is "a step in the right direction," so long as E-Loan offers more than just the three-digit score. "The question is, 'How to release the score to the consumer in a useful format?' " he said. "No one has been able to breach that gap."

Mr. Magnuson said that though Associated Credit agrees that consumers should know what their credit report contains and what it means, "the Fico score in and of itself doesn't tell you anything." He said that for E-Loan's service to help the consumer, it must offer more than what is already available - credit reports and the adverse-action explanations, which are given to consumers when they are denied credit.

"I commend them on their efforts," Mr. Magnuson said, "but it comes down to what kind of detail they are giving."

http://www.eloan.com/s/show/media/ame022200

Doesn't that just crack you up? What a knee-slapper!

As I've said from the beginning, I want my broad-based risk credit bureau score, the ONE used in Fannie Mae's and Freddie Mac's automated underwriting systems that make approval recommendations for FHA, VA, and conventional loan applications.

They only use one score, so stop trying to change the subject and confuse the issue. It has been done (unsuccessfully, by professionals), and is getting old.

The real embarrassment of this whole affair is that common courtesy-- a business telling you what it tells others about you-- has to be forced by legislation.


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